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Eragon Zarroc · Nov 16, 2009, 04:42 AM // 04:42

pugs usually run with strict cookie cutter builds for easier formation. slaver's isn't the best type thing to be pugging. better off trying it with a few close friends, preferably some experienced with it, if u want to play as a normal sin. pugging these days to get stuff done is pretty much a joke in most situations, lol. few real people + heros tends to be better than full team of 8 real peeps ;-)

KageNoShi · Nov 18, 2009, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Xiner which of the 5 sub-dungeons in Slaver's were you trying to do by chance?

Edit: Oh nvm it was Forgewight 3 days ago...shows how much I pay attention to the Zaishen quests.

Xiner · Nov 20, 2009, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by KageNoShi

Xiner which of the 5 sub-dungeons in Slaver's were you trying to do by chance?

Edit: Oh nvm it was Forgewight 3 days ago...shows how much I pay attention to the Zaishen quests.

Ye that was the one... I joined a party, I expected to be a tank or something. So they asked me to take running skills and run to Slavers' Exile. But when we were in Forgewith they asked me to run the whole thing...

Maybe offtopic: where would I find some useful builds to just play PvE and dungeons. For example HM missions etc. Or can anyone post some builds here? PvXwiki gives some builds with like 6 optionals.... Of course without Shadow form. xD

JimmyNeutron · Nov 20, 2009, 07:17 PM // 19:17

What did you expect? A Sin isn't good for anything other than Perma.

Monk = Heal or get kick
Sin = Perma or get kick

Try playing Monk as a Smiter on something other than VSF and everyone will call you a noob( and I'm proud to say I'm a Noob4Life

and LOVING IT!!! )

Remember this though: Team needs Perma and Monk more than anything else. Just look at how hard it is to get a Perma in Umbral. Don't like someone, just say "Kick that ahole <name> or I'm leaving.

"

Works for Monks too when there is a shortage in Monk healers.

Works for me!!! LOL!!!! <Dr. Evil's evil laughs echoes in the Chamber of Evilness> WHOOOOAAAHAHAHAHAHAH

Xiner · Nov 20, 2009, 07:27 PM // 19:27

Your pretty right about that, but a monk is specialized in healing. So Healing prayers, Protection prayers and divine favor are all ment for healing. Smiting Prayers is made to give a monk something to do damage. ^^
Shadow Form is just ONE skill. :P So that means that loads of the regular Assassin skills are useful too. If an Assassin is just for SF, why would it then have more skills? Shadow Form isn't the Assassin thingy, if you know what I mean... I always thought an Assassin must show like some Ninja-guy which does loads of damage... :P

Slasher of Darkness · Nov 20, 2009, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by JimmyNeutron

What did you expect? A Sin isn't good for anything other than Perma.

Lolz, don't listen to this, sins IMO are the best melee damage dealers, just slap SoH and Judge's Insight + Splinter Weapon and your normal MS/DB or Critscythe bar on and ur a walking machine of damage.

Red Intensity · Nov 21, 2009, 01:32 AM // 01:32

I understand the OP's pain. It's basically why I do just about everything short of Eternal Grove or an elite area that disallows henchies alone with my sin. Or I bring a friend for especially tough dungeons, and have him spam GDW while one of my heroes packs SoH and I pack Locust's Fury/SY!/EBSoH/an IAS and a few cover enchantments to chip away health quickly (beat 4/5 of Slavers' like that).

My advice (like many others'): Avoid those other guys that only see you as a perma. Or a runner (try being a sin in Elona Reach on a busy day and you'd be bombarded with questions about running the mision). Just be an assassin like you were before.

Note: And as much as I hate the majority of the people of the GW communities, I'd have to agree with them to some point.

HigherMinion · Nov 21, 2009, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I pug alot of dungeons. It's more entertaining as a support roler. We use assassins with daggers/SY spamming all the time, and it's alot more useful than Shadow Form. We have higher DPS, and get done alot faster, killing alot more. We have hax-prot builds so there's no pressure when all the physicals run into the mob.

Preparing a PuG team for anything takes about 30 minutes, if done properly.

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Maybe offtopic: where would I find some useful builds to just play PvE and dungeons. For example HM missions etc. Or can anyone post some builds here? PvXwiki gives some builds with like 6 optionals.... Of course without Shadow form. xD

Well, you can run an SY spammer. Which is generally 3 fast-casting chains.

Jagged strike, Fox Fangs, Death Blossom and Mobius. SY, and an IAS. The rest is optional. If you use essence bring Drunken Master, regardless of soberness, and Critical Agility if you have no essence.

Malician · Nov 21, 2009, 11:40 PM // 23:40

It's probably harder to form a group as an assassin, because you need healers. I'd be happy to do some stuff with you, though. I run as a healer and it doesn't even take 30 minutes to form a group. I just add another healer (rit/monk/ele, I'm not picky) and a bunch of W/D/A/P. Ask W/D/A to ping build; get them to drop defy pain / endure pain / shadowform / way of the master / etcetc until they're pure damage. Kick if they won't. Repeat until I get some good physicals and go!

athariel · Nov 22, 2009, 09:11 AM // 09:11

haha you guys are so ironic, first you say that pugs are crap because they force you to run a specific skill, then you say to run balancedway with SY! :P

Malician · Nov 22, 2009, 09:43 AM // 09:43

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Originally Posted by athariel

haha you guys are so ironic, first you say that pugs are crap because they force you to run a specific skill, then you say to run balancedway with SY! :P

PUGs are crap because they force you to run a *boring* specific skill. Waiting for an SF sin to get aggro and then suicide nuking and hoping he doesn't lose it is boring (to me) which is why I play differently.

That said, I'm not really too particular about the build / whether SY is present as long as the physical is loaded with damage. Others can and do differ.

JimmyNeutron · Nov 22, 2009, 05:12 PM // 17:12

Like I said, play a Perma and go to Umbral Grotto and start getting people KICK out of group for some fun:

Me: Kick that ahole <name>, otherwsie, GL finding another Perma.
GL(Group Leader): Why?
Me: He scammed me on a run before.
GL: Ok. Bye <name>

LOL!!!!!

This is how you pay back for people always wanting Perma. POWER TO THE PERMAs!!!! Rock the Cradle of Love!!!

NOTE: Make it easier on GL and choose a RoJ. They are easily replaceable or choose another profession if there are a lot of them. Sometimes, I see 4 FS looking for a team and than I choose a FS for the kick.

N1ghtstalker · Nov 22, 2009, 05:24 PM // 17:24

anet should make the damn elite area's easier
uw is nearly impossible without having a perma

Ghost Dog · Nov 22, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

Game is a joke now.

Full of console fags abusing this shit and I don't see it changing.

Who here remembers doing cartography when the mobs actually attacked you, permas don't.

Permas say it doesn't effect our game when they RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO easy mode, well except the fact every good skin I get from the Z chest or any elite area is now worthless, pugs don't exist and the HoM is nothing more than a "how far did you walk and press two buttons" monument.

That's fine though, when GW2 comes and there is no invincibility these RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs will rage quit and call the game bad.

_Nihilist_ · Nov 23, 2009, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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Originally Posted by N1ghtstalker

anet should make the damn elite area's easier
uw is nearly impossible without having a perma

This kind of thinking is really... backwards... imho. If it's an Elite Area, why shouldn't it be more difficult than other areas of the game?

Back on topic:

People that expect Assassins to run PermaSF aren't going to change their expectations: they want/need a Perma so that is what they are going to use. If you can't/won't run Perma, they aren't going to include you in their party. The only options you really have available to you are to A)start a group of your own or B)join a Guild/Alliance that doesn't insist that Assassins on all of their Elite Area trips run Perma, it's that simple.

Nerf Me Haha · Nov 24, 2009, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by Xiner

About Slavers' Exile. Some people told me that dungeon is impossible if you have an Assassin (with just a normal build, so NO perma).

Whoever told you that has no idea what he's talking about.
I did more then half of this dungeon (tho in NM) with me playing a non-perma assassin+3sabway necs and a friend playing a warrior +3discords.
It was so easy we laughed, no cons, no wipes, no problems.
I'm sure we could finish it in HM as well if we had more info about what is ahead of us (so we went NM, because going with normal builds into elite dungeon HM is bad).

So here's my piece of advice:
Find a guild, and showoff - that pve isn't just perma sin

Zahr Dalsk · Nov 24, 2009, 10:38 PM // 22:38

I kick any perma sins in my party. I also kick any other class that's trying to tank.

ProTip: Assassins deal excellent damage. Tanking is shit - an MS/DB spammer helps kill stuff much faster.

bj91x · Nov 25, 2009, 09:43 AM // 09:43

I've never encountered this problem on my A, personally. I've done quite a few Zaishen Missions with PUG and nobody has ever asked me to bring SF.

I did encounter one instance last night where the party leader was just repeatedly and rudely demanding gimmick builds. He kept using words like perma sin, sabway, imbagon, etc... I found it kind of odd that somebody would rely so much on gimmick stuff for simple HM missions. Not only that, our party leader had quite the attitude and the group was arguing for quite a while. We had a full team but didn't start the actual mission for several minutes. I was doubtful that this group will be able to beat the mission. Surely enough, we failed. The group communication and synergy was terrible with everyone doing their own thing. Only 2 of our DPS attacked the enemy healer, resulting in fights that took forever. There was constant argument, mostly stemming from the party leader.

What I learned from this is that if somebody is so terrible at the game that they're rudely demanding gimmick builds for simple HM missions, don't play with them. Find another group with players that know what they're doing and are not rude. Me personally, I don't even ask people to ping builds. I just need people to tell me what their role is so that we have 2 healers/prots and rest doing some sort of damage. The only time I ask people to ping is if I think we may run similar builds that don't stack (example, Rt's using same spirits). Rarely do I encounter players so terrible that our entire group doesn't have enough DPS to finish a HM mission efficiently, or our healers are so terrible that they can't heal the group well enough without constant wipes.

And hey, on the rare occasion that I encounter rude players from multiple groups that want to go with gimmick builds, I can just go with h/h with whatever random builds I want to bring and roll through the mission while those rude players are still in the town LFGing.

Tenebrae · Nov 25, 2009, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by bj91x

What I learned from this is that if somebody is so terrible at the game that they're rudely demanding gimmick builds for simple HM missions, don't play with them. Find another group with players that know what they're doing and are not rude. Me personally, I don't even ask people to ping builds.

Thats true , so many ppl lack knowledge and just use the only gimmicks they know for EVERYTHING and if you dont use them ( because they are not needed and will only save .... 1-5mins ) they enrage "you are a noob" "kick him" bla bla bla.
Chest run ? perma , Aurora Glade ? perma , Killing Fenrir HM ? Discordway+Apcaller , regular quest between missions ? perma+roj+imbagon !. Its good to be confident but dont trust ppl anymore so i always ask to ping.

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Originally Posted by bj91x

The only time I ask people to ping is if I think we may run similar builds that don't stack (example, Rt's using same spirits). Rarely do I encounter players so terrible that our entire group doesn't have enough DPS to finish a HM mission efficiently, or our healers are so terrible that they can't heal the group well enough without constant wipes.

Well i wish i had your luck , 90% of the times i get into pugs theres always 2-3 clueless ppl / rubbish builds / pointless gimmicks users / unskilled players that ruin a 10m HM ZQ .

dyln · Nov 26, 2009, 08:32 AM // 08:32

I agree for the most part but have to say, that vsf farming is serious business when it comes to umbra grotto, easy leveling for rep points & gold drops, you will only find in most days party's forming up for this either asking for bips, roj, fs & perma's unless you have this build your pretty much useless for the team. But if I read your issue correctly you were trying to do the 4 bosses prior to duncan and when you pinged your perma build they thought you were going to perma for them. I've run my sin a few time to pick up Justicar Thomas as either a cryer (oldway) or roj (newway) with no issue other than having to up my energy bar to 50+ (armor swaps). I actually came to this string looking how to perma as I only join groups when I am being lazy and not H/H the dungeon/explorable area. But your going to find the attitude in any game you play being expected to play the build your running. But I am getting off track just fyi "umbra is a monk sin town for vsf" Tombs "ranger & monk (now sin (perma) Doomlore "run town u need a dungeon stick around someone will be spamming the run sooner or later (cof being the big money run for gold drops & maxing out vanguard & delve reps) With the big death to ursan form sifhala has died out same with malyx elite mission as everyone could run ursan and keep up. The point I am making is sorry you ran into some goofs but they are in every town ,,every pvp area ,, every where take it with a grain of salt play your way not thiers but when you ping a build no how to play it & what is expected if not your just asking for the verbal abuse. I've been playing over 4years plus with this game exclusive and still don't know all of it thats what I love about it ,, something new everytime a nerf comes or an update or someone figures out an awesome build, I now see that sins are now being respected do to the perma aspect about them when they first came in the game with factions omg total dis. after grinding my way thru faction I parked her and just now dusting her off (my sin) and playing her as now you can get into a party with 2 or more sins without all the bs that went with it on factions release, but like in any class u have good players & sucky players So point is don't dis the skill dis the players behind the charc as dis'n the skill gets it nerf'd like ursan with sf nerfed the monks again rule the farming now its at least almost a fair farming field although ele's got a town with rata for raptors. So with that I do wish you better days & good hunting and a happy Thanksgivings day. 8)